Improving discovery?

While this I somewhat true, I think this underestimates the challenge of onboarding as a new member into the community that interest-based mechanisms for aggregation/search/browsing really helps with. It’s already more complex than it should be to get up and running for people (or so I’ve heard reported). The fact that you also have to bootstrap a community with few means to find someone else makes it really hard to value the community elements of

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Numbers will never explode, or even grow significantly, if the discovery is poor. I imported my follows from mastodon when I signed up here, that’s literally the only reason I get any engagement. Had I not done that, I’d be shouting into the void and probably left.

If a “close knit community” is so close knit that it needs to rely on other services to bootstrap discovery, then it’s a silo.

I thought was all about breaking down silos?

To be clear, I think is about hosting a blog on your own site that’s as easy to post to as social media and making it as easy as feasible for people who want to read your blog to do so. I don’t think it’s about breaking down silos from a community stand point, it’s about breaking your content out from proprietary silos making sure you own it and it’s on the free and open web.

I agree about the challenge of onboarding people and making it smoother. I was commenting on the discovery aspects around interests. I’m sure if focused on growth at the expense of other elements. There will be enough people to create communities, but how would it affect the overall experience and brand of

Maybe numbers are never meant to explode, and growing rapidly is not on @manton’s list of priorities. I respect that. Not every movie is made to appeal to all audiences. Also, if you are going to shout into the void and not make an effort to engage with people already in the community, it will not go well.

In my early days of blogging, I wrote in my little corner but spent most of my time reading and commenting on other blogs. Eventually, the people who liked what I said came to my blog to read. If they, too, liked what I wrote, they commented, and so on and so forth. If the intention is to go viral, then maybe is not for you. Plenty of niche sites/forums cater to particular interests. We’ve been “spoiled” by Twitter to expect everyone to be in one place. They don’t have to be.

My intention is definitely not to go viral. I’m very happy with the numbers my site gets. Well, actually, I don’t know what numbers my site gets as I removed analytics a couple years ago. :joy:

Better to say I’m happy with the engagement my site gets.

My focus isn’t on numbers, and it’s great that Manton’s isn’t too. That’s why M.b appealed to me.

You mention engaging with, and building, a community around a blog, but that’s exponentially more difficult if one can’t find like minded folk to engage with.

Instead, you end up having to shout into the void and hope some hears.

Anyway, we’re just saying the same thing over and over in different ways now; I don’t think it’s productive, so I’m gonna bow out of this conversation. :v:

@pratik this proposal has nothing to do with going viral. Let’s not paint as radical simple differing points of view. This is about tools to find people to converse with.

Particularly for this community Pratik which - I agree is fairly close knit if you find yourself in it - I think that some discovery tools provide value for both existing users like me (who is still wondering after a few years if there are people into data or economics, which are not necessarily that niche of topics) and to facilitate newcomers to find - not just an audience, but a micro conversation group. People to follow and to start reading.

Of course there are those who use this as a generalised microblog experience, writing about all our mainstream interests and being interested with the response from those who already follow us. I am also sometimes one of these. It’s a great way to get a peek into what others find interesting. I like it.

But there are also people who want to/also want to talk about specific topics and possibly to discuss them with interested parties. I don’t know some of the people I would be finding with a directory. And yet I want to find more microbloggers interested in same topics as me. I can go and find them on specialised forums, of course, on subreddits, maybe, but I’d like the chance to find each other here. Isn’t this part of building community?

I’m not dissing this aspect. I’m simply saying it may not be as quick as some people expect. That’s probably a function of the size of the community. We just may have to blog about those interests first and comment on other people’s interests. Other people may have those interests and may not have yet expressed (blogged about) them.

Again, it comes back to how large Manton envisions this community. This is a small team; if they don’t want to scale up to millions of users, that’s fine. In proportionate terms, I’m sure you will find more people interested in stoicism, fountain pens, and woodworking on than you would on Twitter. You do want to build a community, but it’s fine to emphasize a certain kind of community.

Another thing I wanted to throw in here: we’ve talked about whether it should be easier to discover Mastodon users too, now that you can follow them. We’re taking a small step with that by including Mastodon posts in this month’s photo challenge. I expect Discover will stay primarily focused on the community, but it’s nice to be able to reach other folks too without having to switch platforms or juggle multiple accounts.

What I find important is that users have to do intelligent work to find like-minded users, and not get it delivered to them on a plate (so to speak). The latter can lead to unwanted profiling and social graphing, though that’s still possible through scraping.

You could say, but it’s voluntary, opt-in, so what’s the deal? Peer pressure.

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